I believe one factor to think about is — Michelle There’s two Michelles. We have been ready so that you can try this. I do know. Michelle C. I’m Michelle Cottle and I cowl nationwide politics for New York Occasions’ Opinion and I’m right here this week with my fabulous colleagues, opinion columnists Jamelle Bouie and Michelle Goldberg. And we’re going to take a temperature verify on the Trump resistance. And one of many key areas the place it’s gaining floor, which is mass deportations. So, associates, Hey. Welcome. Thanks for doing this. Hello, Michelle. Hello, Jamelle. Howdy, Howdy. All proper Michelle, we’re going to start out with you as a result of you will have been out in La reporting on the native resistance motion to Trump’s deportation efforts there. So what drew you and what did you discover out. Effectively, I believe what drew me is that I’ve been wanting to jot down about perhaps name it resistance 2.0, which I believe seems to be very completely different than the resistance. The primary time round, and has led some individuals to suppose that perhaps there isn’t as a lot of a resistance to Trump as there was in his first administration. I believe that’s most likely true amongst elite establishments, however there truly is a large quantity of activism occurring. It’s slightly below the floor, or in methods which can be tougher for outsiders to see. As I’ll clarify. So earlier this month, I used to be getting in New York to immigration court docket. So mainly ICE used to not there was an settlement or a coverage that ICE wasn’t going to go to delicate locations like immigration court docket, as a result of clearly it dissuades individuals from following the legislation. In order that’s modified. ICE is now you go to immigration court docket in New York. You go there and anyone can go there. They’re open to the general public. And, you see these knots of males trying like international paramilitaries. Principally, they’re in of plainclothes with retailer purchased tactical vests and balaclavas or Gator masks that come as much as their eyes. They’ve obtained hats they usually anticipate individuals to come back out of their hearings, after which they seize them. And whenever you discuss to attorneys and volunteers, the principles or the norms change from daily. So at first, they have been solely grabbing individuals when their instances have been dismissed, which having your case dismissed is an efficient factor in Felony Court docket, nevertheless it’s not factor in immigration court docket, as a result of it mainly signifies that your declare to asylum has been dismissed. So when that occurred, they’d take individuals. Then that modified. And the decide would in a few of these instances, the decide would inform them to come back again for his or her subsequent listening to, however nonetheless, they stroll out the door and other people grabbed them, and typically they seize one member of the household and never the opposite. And you may’t actually inform why, as a result of their claims are conjoined. And you may think about how terrifying that is for the individuals ready in a ready room to enter their listening to, seeing one particular person after one other dragged off. And so what you’ve seen is type of abnormal individuals in New York volunteer to only be there to do what they’ll, and what they’ll do is fairly restricted. They’ll take down their immigration ID quantity to file in order that anyone is following them by the system. They’ll get an emergency contact info in order that they’ll name their family members and inform them that their particular person, that the particular person isn’t coming residence, has been sucked into this technique. They could be capable to in some instances, join them to attorneys. So anyway, so I’ve been reporting on this, however my understanding for what I used to be listening to was that these efforts in New York are much more widespread in L.A. as a result of the deportation regime is simply a lot, way more aggressive in L.A. And one of many issues that actually struck me being there, they’ve this type of fast response community the place persons are consistently patrolling their neighborhoods to see if ices and the world to alert their neighbors. And one of many issues that actually struck me, although, was after I was interviewing the mayor, Karen Bass, and she or he advised me that she depends on the fast response community to find out about what ICE is doing in her metropolis, as a result of they’re actually not telling her something. And so, I imply, I believe the ethos of this motion is that type of nobody is coming to save lots of us. There’s no person is type of exercising energy on our behalf with just a few exceptions. And so individuals really feel like they’ve to prepare to guard their neighbors as greatest they’ll. And that was a second when she mentioned that actually drove that residence for me. Simply listening to Michelle describe ice exercise in courthouses. The masks that the snatching. My blood is boiling. Like I’m genuinely livid. Like very indignant. Similar to listening to it described. And it’s not like I haven’t been watching movies and studying descriptions. So it’s not new to me, however simply interested by it and interested by what a profound violation it’s. Like, no matter, you need to have immigration enforcement. Positive in the event you suppose that certain, we obtained to have immigration enforcement, no matter. However immigration enforcement that includes basically kidnapping individuals. And I believe I don’t need to however I believe it’s necessary to only underline these are people who find themselves doing the whole lot they’re imagined to do. The individuals who present up for his or her immigration appointments are by definition, following the legislation. Yeah to your level, this discourages individuals from exhibiting as much as attempt to do the precise factor as a result of it’s the apparent goal. They’re following the legislation and are being kidnapped, stolen and whisked away by these public servants. ICE brokers work for us technically, however who’re behaving in an imperious and unaccountable means, hiding their faces, behaving like an precise secret police. And it’s simply it’s infuriating. And if Individuals witnessed it in every other nation, they’d instantly clock what it’s. The one cause why there’s any trace of a debate about what’s occurring right here is due to some perverse American exceptionalism. But when this have been going down in every other nation, Europe, South America, Asia, it doesn’t matter the place if we’re occurring every other nation, we’d instantly clock that what we’re witnessing is a disappearance program by an unaccountable secret police. One of many organizers in of the Nationwide Day laborers organizing community that I used to be spending time with is from Salvador and stored saying to me, that is acquainted. I do know what that is. So subsequent to the economic system, immigration was thought-about one in every of Trump’s strengths within the final election. And he was fairly harsh about it. He didn’t make any secret of what he deliberate to do mass deportations. So he campaigned on mass deportations, and he campaigned on eradicating 20 million individuals. After all, there are usually not 20 million undocumented immigrants. There are round 10 to 12 million, tops. And so the 20 million quantity was at all times inclusive of a lot of people who find themselves right here legally and following the legislation. I believe, and that is to some extent, Trump’s political superpower, I believe that individuals simply didn’t imagine it. I believe that’s actually I believe he would say we’re going to deport 20 million individuals. We’re going to have mass deportations. And what voters heard was we’re going to take away all of the criminals and safe the border. However the whole lot shall be mainly the identical. And there’s this delta between what he Trump and Stephen Miller particularly supposed in what voters heard. That explains, in my thoughts the sharp decline in his standing on immigration and deportations. As a result of in the event you take a look at the polling, he’s underwater on each. And I believe it has the whole lot to do with the truth that what voters heard was the established order, besides after they activate the TV, they don’t see photos of. Individuals on the border, that’s what they thought. However what’s truly occurring, after all, is kidnappings and renditions of those that most individuals know. I noticed a current ballot that mentioned 1 / 4 of Individuals are apprehensive that somebody they know beloved one buddy, whomever coworker goes to get caught up on this kidnapping program, this deportation program. And that simply speaks to each the expansiveness of it and the truth that you possibly can’t do this type of factor with out touching the lives of abnormal individuals, of residents. I principally agree with you, Jamelle. I believe the factor that I perhaps see it somewhat bit in a different way is that I believe there was, on this case, two teams of Trump voters there. There are actually Trump voters who take a look at these movies of say, a mom being ripped away from her screaming youngsters and can put up on-line, that is what I voted for, proper. There’s individuals who eat up the sadistic type of deportation porn that official White Home websites are pumping out. And so I see Trump’s superpower somewhat in a different way. I see it as he was in a position he had the belief of each the individuals who mentioned he’s going to do precisely what he mentioned he’s going to do, and the individuals who thought that it was all simply hyperbole, or that he simply meant criminals. And in order that was at all times a type of fragile coalition, since you’re solely going to make a type of two teams pleased. Yeah, I’ll say that. I do suppose that the people who find themselves like, that is what I voted for. I believe that’s somewhat little bit of saving face. I do suppose that’s a little bit of properly, that is I don’t I believe there’s a sadistic a part of the. No, there’s a sadism there. However I additionally suppose there’s a little bit of like, that is unpopular. Individuals don’t prefer it. It’s dragging down the president. And they also should say, properly, that is what I wished. Clearly, that is what I like. Reasonably than having to reevaluate any of the alternatives that they made. I believe that’s a extra optimistic view than I’ve. It’s not optimistic. I imply, what I’m saying is that when confronted with any type of divergence between what they could be anticipating and what’s occurring, they’re doubling down on their. I simply I do suppose that there are individuals who like it. Yeah, I believe we’re speaking a couple of query of diploma. What share of persons are those for whom that is their dream state of affairs, they usually need to go farther. After which I do suppose an enormous chunk of individuals have been like, properly, I didn’t suppose they have been going to come back after my child’s soccer coach. That’s horrible. OK, so let me push again somewhat bit and say, when this primary began in L.A., there was this enormous uproar nationally. It obtained plenty of consideration. Elected officers throughout have been standing up and bitching about it. It has not remained within the public eye fairly a lot. What are the percentages of this activism activism gaining traction nationally, and what is going to it take for us to see what’s occurring in L.A. take off broadly throughout the nation. So I’m unsure that whether or not the media is overlaying protests is the most effective gauge of how widespread they’re. As a result of once more, these protests are of arduous to cowl in identical to the intestine of TV information, particularly. In case you have 12 individuals conserving watch on a House Depot and that’s occurring in 10 completely different locations, it’s not an actual spectacle. The rationale I count on it to catch on nationally is as a result of I believe that the techniques we’ve seen in L.A. are going to unfold nationally. I imply, L.A., I believe was an indication undertaking of what they intend to do. And ice has simply gotten this unbelievably huge infusion of cash within the tax invoice that Republicans simply handed and goes to be greater than most international locations militaries. And they also’re going to should do one thing with all these individuals. And so I might count on what we’ve seen in L.A. to unfold to different locations. I imply, already in New York, they’ve talked about flooding the zone right here within the final couple of days. And in order it spreads, I believe you additionally simply see lots of people on the market who’re horrified by what’s occurring, however really feel powerless or don’t know the place to I don’t know what to do about it. They don’t actually suppose that type of marching and chanting is essentially going to have any impact. Clearly it is a generalization, however the resistance. The primary time round, when Trump was first elected, was very targeted on attempting to shore up and affect establishments. So that you had indivisible that was shaped by two former Hill staffers when Trump was first elected and arranged individuals by congressional district. A whole lot of the work they did was attempting to affect their representatives. Individuals don’t essentially have the identical type of religion that there’s any establishment that’s coming to save lots of us. And so persons are on the lookout for issues to do. Can I say actual fast, simply on the query of nationwide media protection, that I believe it’s necessary to keep in mind that there’s CNN, there’s ABC, no matter. However there’s additionally native information associates and plenty of these items is being coated. Are there nonetheless native information associates. There’s nonetheless native TV information one hundred pc. And native TV information truly does cowl these items on the common as a result of it includes neighborhood members. It includes public areas persons are conversant in. So it doesn’t even essentially should catch on within the Nationwide media for individuals to concentrate on this and conscious of it within the sense that it’s pervasive. The one final level I need to make, I need to say on this is considering the massive quantity of funding ICE has simply acquired from Congress and the administration. Pre this ICE was having a tough time hiring and retaining individuals. It’s not like a terrific job when it comes to issues that make you are feeling good on the finish of the day. And there are individuals in ICE proper now who’re like, properly, this isn’t essentially what I signed up for. I didn’t signal as much as kidnap somebody’s abuela. And I do surprise can shovel cash at an company, however I do surprise in the event that they’re going to have the ability to rent the ten,000 individuals. They are saying they’re going to rent. Like, that’s truly not simple. And when you think about that native municipal police departments across the nation are having a tough time hiring new individuals, when the U.S. army is having a tough time hiring individuals. The factor in regards to the previous couple years of a robust labor market is {that a} type of job that requires plenty of psychological stress, is simply not interesting to individuals and likewise not likely crucial. See, I take a look at it from a darker perspective is that they’ve shoveled all this cash into it. They’re going to rent all these individuals. They’re going to wind up hiring people who find themselves actually into it. And there are lots of people on the market who you simply don’t need doing this. However I might suppose that if what you’re speaking about is a type of self-selection the place the individuals who have ethical qualms about this don’t need it, that simply leaves extra rooms for the individuals who the cruelty is the purpose for them. However it’s. Oh, go forward. I’ve heard some sooner or later after I was at immigration court docket, there was a public defender who truly, I don’t know if she was a public defender, however a volunteer lawyer or who labored for a bunch that despatched attorneys. And he or she was actually, actually good at partaking a few of these ICE brokers and type of attempting to attract them out and discuss in regards to the legislation and I imply, and it was fascinating each how little a few of them knew in regards to the legislation. They’d been repurposed from the southern border. But in addition there was, as she drew them out, as she talked in regards to the those that she represented and what they’d been by, there was simply this even simply in that quick period of time, this type of change within the vibe. They have been nonetheless grabbing individuals, however there wasn’t the identical type of barking like aggro. It simply – I had the sense that she had planted a tiny seed of unease in a few of these individuals’s minds, which I think about once more, how a lot that’s in the end going to make a distinction. I don’t know, however I do suppose that there’s going to be, for some individuals, an ethical damage. And I believe that they’re overlaying their faces as a result of it’s intimidating. However I additionally surprise if a few of them are overlaying their faces as a result of they’re ashamed. OK, in order we’ve famous, that is what the Trump administration campaigned on. Clearly, dysfunction on the border was an actual challenge and other people wished it underneath management. And honest sufficient. Draconian or not, the administration appears to have found out gradual the border circulate. So do you suppose even with these, even with these harsh movies and protests. I imply, is it honest to say that this might nonetheless work for Republicans at election time. I imply, we’re additionally speaking a couple of good stretch of time earlier than anyone could make them may even take into consideration making them pay for this. So, I imply, on the one hand, these are such egregious human rights violations. These are such egregious constitutional violations that he mentioned he was going to do plenty of issues. He mentioned he was going to strive a bunch of former officers for treason. That doesn’t imply that if he went out and put Obama in handcuffs, we’d say, properly, guarantees made, guarantees stored. That mentioned, I additionally suppose that we will see within the polling that it’s not working for them. We might see that he’s means underwater on immigration enforcement particularly. It truly drives me loopy when individuals say, properly, he found out cease, cease chaos on the border. Yeah, he did that at the price of ending asylum in America. And in order that’s why earlier presidents couldn’t do it, as a result of they didn’t need to finish America’s place as a vacation spot for individuals in search of — They have been following the legislation. Proper. And so the one means that they might type of get the border underneath management would have been with a large surge of sources to have extra judges and type of officers to course of individuals since they didn’t have that, they have been unable to get issues underneath management. However sure, by ending America’s standing as a spot that gives asylum and as an alternative transport individuals in search of asylum to international gulags and conserving them in probably the most degrading and typically lethal circumstances, they’ve been capable of get the border underneath management. I suppose that there’s people who find themselves going to offer them political credit score for that, however I don’t see the necessity to be part of them in that. Or there’s individuals who simply received’t be there. I do know they received’t be there driving vote. However I believe one factor to think about is Michelle. Michelle, we have been ready so that you can try this. I do know Michelle C. you mentioned the phrases you used for chaos on the border. And I need to lob off the border and concentrate on the chaos half, as a result of I believe that the factor that was truly driving the dynamic in favor of Trump final yr was his sense of chaos. Voters don’t like chaos. One of many issues that drives me somewhat loopy is at any time when individuals discuss in regards to the 2020 protests they usually say, properly, the 2020 protests, contributed to Trump, blah, blah, blah, wokeness, blah, blah, blah. However whenever you truly take a look at what occurred, when it comes to public opinion, the 2020 protests have been an enormous drag on Trump that in the event that they didn’t occur, Trump would have been in higher standing for reelection. And the mechanism there’s not a lot broad public sympathy with each single message popping out of them, however that individuals don’t like chaos. They noticed all of the protests they usually have been like, that is dysfunction. And I don’t prefer it. And so they blame the incumbent for the dysfunction. Individuals blame no matter dysfunction and chaos was on the border on Biden. What Trump has achieved is traded one type of chaos and dysfunction for an additional. He’s taken no matter might exist on the southern border after which simply plopped it into American cities. And so if he’s simply buying and selling one type of. Chaos and dysfunction for an additional, there’s truly, I believe, quantity of proof to recommend that that is going to be dangerous actively dangerous to him as a result of he isn’t eliminating the chaos, he’s simply redistributing it. So right here’s my query to you, which is that, sure, that’s true. However what it’s going to come back all the way down to is a PR struggle, as a result of what his argument is that, as you notice, he’s transporting it into Democratic led cities. He’s pitching the thought. I get it in my feed. I’m certain you do on a regular basis. Lands in my inbox. Take a look at the chaos in New York. Take a look at the chaos in California. He’s deliberately concentrating on blue areas. So he can plant the concept Democratic run cities are a multitude that should be overseen. So it comes all the way down to partly, who can work this challenge the most effective. So my query for each of you is, so how might the Democratic Occasion have formed the narrative higher on immigration as an alternative of being reactive to it. And do you suppose are you optimistic that they’ll be capable to do that going ahead. So I imply, on the one hand, clearly, I’m not a political strategist. I don’t suppose that there’s any indicators, once more, that what Trump is doing is working for him politically. I imply, it’s fascinating in the event you take heed to say, Joe Rogan on some of these items. As a result of him being aghast at what he’s seeing is, perhaps a extra necessary, way more necessary indicator than a bunch of New York Occasions’ columnists being horrified by what they’re seeing. I believe that a part of after I converse to activists, they really feel so profoundly deserted by the Democratic Occasion and so disillusioned by the Democratic Occasion, as a result of the Democratic Occasion, I believe, has internalized the concept it is a good challenge for Trump. However we’d like I believe, Democrats who’ve a constructive imaginative and prescient of immigration who aren’t simply speaking about how we will management, who’re pushing again on the concept is more and more prevalent in MAGA world, that immigration is only a type of internet loss for this nation, and that now we have given up one thing necessary about our heritage and are turning into some type of third world shithole. Which, by the way in which, it’s weird to me that in case your actual concern is America’s devolution into a 3rd world nation, that you just need to elect the white Idi Amin. However I additionally I simply I believe that you just want. How do I put this. Public opinion on immigration, you see, is absolutely thermostatic proper. And it’s actually type of reactive to regardless of the individuals in energy are doing. So that you truly see in polling way more help for immigration than we’ve seen in years. And Democrats, I imagine, and I believe I can’t let you know for certain if that is the precise factor to do. Politically, I can let you know for certain. It’s the precise factor to do morally is that they need to be choosing up on a few of that vitality and making a constructive case for the position of immigrants in our society for what they for the way in which that they enrich and revitalize this nation. And the way in which that what Trump is doing is an assault on not simply their rights, however our rights, foundational ideas of what at its greatest, it’s meant to be an American. Yeah I believe Michelle is completely proper to say that the difficulty right here. A part of the rationale I believe Trump gained this benefit with immigration is as a result of Democrats ceded it to him. They mentioned, oh, properly, the polls appear to be shifting in his course. And these are massive applause strains for him. So we additionally have to undertake this powerful on the border language by adopting type of the framing of this all Democrats did was additional cede the difficulty area to Trump, gave him area to mildew it and dominate it and form it much more. If you need an particularly dramatic instance of this, look throughout the pond to what’s occurring within the U.Okay. the place Labour has adopted mainly the type of Brexit-ish migrants are harming the nation language of Nigel Farage. And what it hasn’t achieved is introduced these immigration skeptical voters again into Labour’s camp. What it has achieved is expanded, ferocious and minded figures, political standing within the nation. So right here I believe Democrats have to as Michelle mentioned, have a constructive imaginative and prescient for immigration and never only a type of properly, we’re going to guard the border, but in addition immigrants are good and we love them. However a full throated, it is a nation of immigrants. Immigrants contribute to this nation that iPhone you’re holding in your hand is the product of immigrants just like the issues that you just love about this nation are largely a product of immigrants. I simply wrote not too long ago immediately about JD Vance’s imaginative and prescient of citizenship, and the way he cites the Civil Battle on a regular basis. The Civil Battle, a struggle received by Union Military full of immigrants. Prefer it’s a component. It’s a deep minimize, nevertheless it’s I imply, proper, nevertheless it’s simply key to his mythology. proper. I don’t know, to me, I imply, I completely take what all people’s saying. To me, this simply smells just like the Democrats method of. We simply obtained to clarify to you why we’re proper. Effectively, this isn’t explaining. I imply, properly, you do truly do have to clarify to the general public why we predict we’re proper. But in addition I might make the I might make the argument. I might make the argument that it’s when Democrats have been, for lack of a greater time period, this woke on immigration that they’ve achieved higher. Joe Biden did higher in 2020. Hillary Clinton, we’ve had three Trump elections. Hillary Clinton now we will say did second greatest towards Trump with this explicitly like pro-immigrant type of rhetoric. And he or she reached a standing with Hispanic voters that no Democrat since has been capable of match. So perhaps it’s merely the case that what’s lacking within the political atmosphere are simply nationwide political figures prepared to say for can we curse on this. Like, oh, you possibly can curse. I encourage it. Come on prepared to say like, f–, we’re going to have immigrants right here. All proper, so earlier than we finish this, do we predict this vitality goes to be sustained lengthy sufficient to make Republicans pay a worth for it. As a result of so long as all people’s mad proper now, they don’t give two shits. Once more, I simply suppose that I really feel like there’s such a disconnect between us, Michelle, as a result of I really feel such as you’re speaking in regards to the subsequent election. I perceive how necessary it’s imagine me. However I additionally suppose that the framing of lots of people I’m speaking to and I don’t suppose it’s improper, is that we’re in a type of state of affairs of authoritarian breakthrough the place these aren’t the type of issues that may essentially get mounted within the subsequent election. And I don’t know that there’s I imply, I believe we must always demand and assume that the following election shall be free and honest. However I additionally simply suppose that we’re not within the type of system that we have been in a yr or two earlier than. And so the query, I imply, it is a downside for the Democratic Occasion and that there’s this an enormous disconnect between this activist vitality and the occasion itself to ensure they perceive elections have penalties. And we’re on this mess as a result of individuals thought, oh, it doesn’t actually matter who we vote. I believe that that’s proper. However I additionally suppose that you just’re speaking I believe that the way in which lots of people really feel is like their communities are underneath a hostile occupation of people that hate them, they usually need to understand how they’ll defend their neighborhoods. And so it’s only a step away. You’re going to see this vitality unfold, I believe, once more, as a result of there’s only a type of, amongst tens of millions and tens of millions of individuals, a really deep horror over what’s occurring and a desperation to do one thing, even when they don’t know precisely what, whether or not that in flip. I imply, I believe that my guess is how that can manifest instantly politically is in a requirement that the Democratic Occasion change. You see that in Mamdani. I wouldn’t be stunned in the event you see much more major challenges, the anger on the market in direction of, a Democratic management that individuals really feel is feckless they usually really feel like just isn’t preventing for them and isn’t defending them is simply so profound that I believe that we’ll have a type of a Democratic Tea Occasion. The political penalties of that, I believe, are arduous to foretell. Though, I don’t even know if it’s essentially a query of shifting to the left. As a result of Elissa Slotkin has articulated this rather well, that there’s, there’s the left proper divide, however there’s additionally the divide between individuals who suppose that Trump is an existential menace. And individuals who suppose that type of fixing this as an election away. She’s typically touted because the reasonable way forward for the occasion, however she’s additionally within the first camp. And I believe that Democrats need to see extra individuals like that. Yeah I might say that so far as sustaining any type of anger or momentum going into the following election. I Michelle’s proper to recommend that if the administration continues alongside these strains, it’s type of unfold organically. However I additionally suppose that that is a part of the position for political training. I believe now we have a behavior as Individuals simply usually, of pondering of political events solely within the context of an election yr. Nevertheless it’s like, properly inside the capabilities of the Democratic Occasion as fractured and decentralized as it’s, particular person state Democratic events, native Democratic events to start working first with neighborhood teams to do this type of vigilance work to reference the antebellum America once more after the passage of the 1850 Fugitive Slave Act, you had what have been referred to as vigilance committees in plenty of Northern cities that labored typically with perhaps northern Whigs or the Republican organizations that have been coming to for on the time to mainly be careful for slave catchers. Solely doable for native Democratic events to do this type of work. It’s totally doable for state, the state Democratic events and Nationwide Democratic events to mainly, do preserve a type of media presence dedicated to disseminating these photos of those ICE kidnappings and these ICE assaults. That’s a factor they’ll do. So my recommendation, and this has been type of my recommendation for a while, is only for Democrats to suppose extra creatively about what they’ll do. And there’s rather a lot you are able to do. There’s no rule that claims that you need to wait till the summer season earlier than an election to do messaging. You possibly can have interaction on this stuff yr spherical on a regular basis. And if I have been speaking to individuals who funded Democrats, I might say that ought to spend much less time on the lookout for a liberal Joe Rogan, no matter meaning, and extra time funding the type of info dissemination and neighborhood teams which can be truly going to have the ability to activate when an election comes. OK I like this. You have got an motion plan. I’m at all times about artistic motion plans, so we’re going to go away it there. I thank each of you. Thanks a lot for all of this. Thanks. Blissful to be right here.
